Electronic Bug Hits Me !

[beats]

Hey Blake:

I have/had used a hybrid setup 4 quite awhile.
I predomminately use it for my drum'n'bass/dub/hip hop solo thing(which is taking forever to launch.)

I have a cool circle of friends that lend me gear if i do shows requiring electronic sounds.

I am too broke at the moment to afford my dream set-up.

I simply use my buddys Roland SPD-S Sampling pad.

Its basically an octopad(which i used 2 use w. an extra kick pad out,and sound design the shit out of it),but it can(and i wish they had done this back in the day) sample sounds.

It has 6 sampling pads+3 trigger pads.It actually resembles the old octopads but its way smaller. It has 380 sec. of 44.1kHz of user sampling(your own sampled creations basically).Also has 181 preloaded waveform sounds/locations(the sounds are killer too!!!!)
.Also has 399 user waveform locations(your own patches of sounds you can possibly create).

Theres also an onboard pattern sequencer(!),which is a super-bonus,if u know how to program.PLUS 30 multi efx.

I love this machine.I want one of my own.

I ditch my toms,mount it on a rack where my rack toms would go,and have a kick trigger running out.

Its super-easy to use.

Ideally(or when i gather the funds to do so) i would use the SPD-S hooked up to a mixer,along with a Apple G5 Powerbook running Reason 2.0 and Abelton Live 3.0(which i do have)

If i had that,whoa, id be master of the universe.

Ive seen other hybrid kits(Akira Jimbo,Tony Verderosa,Ginger Fish),but they are uber-elaborate.The spd-s keeps shit simple,without resorting to accoustic triggering or a rack sampler.

With the spd-s u can hook up a CD player,go grab a Big Fish Audio sample cd,load up your fave sounds, or loops even,and sound design your samples.

I was thinking of grabbing a V-drum set,but this really suits me fine.In fact ive sampled my own accoustic drums/cymbals on there,so if i was feeling lazy i could just borrow my friends spd-s and show up at a show with just that and a kick trigger(but i wont).

The core of my hybrid set-up features [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Dunnet 18x11 kick&13x5-1/2 snare,a Dixon 13x4 piccalo,various(too many to mention)cymbals from the Zildjian Remix line and Sabian Bozzio Radia line,and numerous created stcked cymbals, andthe spd-s w. kick trigger out or if my buddy is touring ill borrow my friends old octopad.(the last released version).No toms.

I truly believe this has been the future of drumming ever since i started working at raves/parties here in Vancouver for the last 10-12 years,as there are only a small(tiny)amount of guys steering thier skills into this direction.

I hope this helps bro..
Let me know your thoughts,cuz methinks u had an 'awakening' similar to mine when i started using electronics.

I just wish i had (soon though!!!) the means to aquire(sic)my own ideal rig.

All my best....................beats

<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ January 20, 2004 03:32 AM: Message edited by: beats ]</font></font>

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 20, 2004 03:34 AM: Message edited by: beats ]</font>

[blake1]

Hey beats. How does the pad record? is there a delay when playing to a sequenced track?
I had that problem with the first gen. octapad. We were recording onto a hard drive I recall. It could have been the hard drive's fault or the computer. I'm not sure.
Yes, I have tons of cds that have great sounds (for samples), plus I have my own recording facility here, so this sounds like a good one. And cheap enough too.
Any suggestions on a good bass drum trigger?Also, what's a good electronic hi hat (stand,cyms)? I kind of like those electronic hi hats for techno.

Thanks for the response!

Blake
going to bed now, wheww!

[peter c]

Check out this Tony:

http://www.tonyverderosa.com/index.html

Blake,

You have to give me a price. It can be
a world of a difference in price, out
there, in terms of digital.

The king of this new genre is JoJo,
though - his technique flawless:

http://www.jojomayer.com/

[img]cool.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 20, 2004 09:22 AM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>

[blake1]

OUCH !!!!

It bit me...

I have a gig with my dance/world/ambient band coming up and was checking out the venue where we're playing. The drummer showed up (not a huge place) with an octapad (Roland spd-20?) and the new Roland mc 909. He said he usually plays acoustic but the bass player couldn't make it so he just brought the 8va pad and a bass drum pedal.
Man, he sounded killing. He changed his kick drum sound and had all of these hip hop sounds and different hi-hats.
I want NOW !!!!
Any one have suggestions? I might use a hybrid setup or get an electronic set. I'm an old school acoustic guy and played the tech game in the 80's. It's a real $$$ game, but I think the technology is kicking A%#, as of late.

I'll let my emotions cool off, but I've became obsessed- AS USUAL !

I really love the fact that the variety of kick sounds really changes the vibe in the band.

I had problems recording into computers with the old octapads from the late 80's. Is the Roland Spd-20 better for recording?

I hate the delay.

I need something for recording so it's go to be good.
Fuse recommends the Ddrum 4.
Roland is coming out with a new kit. Probably too $$$ for my muse though.

I want to be able to upgrade samples in the module if possible (or edit sounds) and want all the latest ambient and hip hop sounds. That's why I liked the Roland Mc 909. That machine is far out. My socks are 1/2 blown off.

Peace Out Fellow drumheads!

Any suggestions?

[peter c]

For the money, the used Yamaha DTX2's are probably your best bet. You can get a set just like mine for less then $1K, for sure. I'd say $700 would do you.

All my samples are done on that kit. Soon, I'll have some new videos to show, so you can see what I am doing with them, which is just whacking them, essentially.

I dug up this old video:

www.thediametrixletter.com/doodle-2.wmv

The triangles are cymbal pads, whose rim triggers another sound. Each pad is dual-zoned, except the kick-towers.
[img]cool.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 20, 2004 11:03 PM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>

[blake1]

Thanks Peter.
Well, I don't want to go crazy. I really like Tony's creativity. He's a complete musician and really knows how to entertain. Jo Jo sounds liked he's a little burnt on the high maintenance of electrics. I think my budget is going to be less than a grand. But I want to make a good investment.. I have a program that cuts up samples so I don't really need the Roland spd-s, but it would be one less step in getting those samples recorded. I might get that, a couple of pads (kick, snare and hh) I want to keep the stage clean.
Also, I would have to get an amp. I have a huge Peavey Electronic drum monitor in my studio but that is'nt designed to be traveled.

The spd-20 looks great too, but not as flexible.
How is the response time with recording on one of these pads? Is there a delay in sound?

[blake1]

Nice playing Peter. I didn't like the pad noise. I guess if the monitor is loud enough , nobody would hear it.
I don't think I'll want that setup. If i go with the whole kit, I'd like to have more realistic heads.
For now, I may go with an octapad type thing and just trigger b.d. and s.d. off of extra pads. I want to keep it simple. Maybe not even a snare pad. Less is more for gigs. I want to use this stuff live and in the studio.

[peter c]

That was recorded in the middle of the night, I think... while everyone was asleep and a while ago. I had the monitor WAY DOWN.

The pads suck, I know. They actually hurt a little but the price is right on these. Verderosa uses these, or at least, he did.

Whatever you go with, Blake, good luck and I know you will kick ass.

[img]cool.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 21, 2004 12:17 AM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>

[PocketPlayer]

To piggyback on this thread, anyone have ideas how I can keep my acoustic kit and trigger a Roland T6 module? Are DDrums the only obvious choice? If so, any URL on how to do this or how they work?

I want to have the ability to use certain sounds live when getting a drum sound is a problem, also to add variety playing covers.

[beats]

Hey Blake:

I havent recorded with the spd-s yet.But i have not encountered any type of latency that was inherent with the old octopads.The technology with the pads is vastly superior to the old octopads.I hypothosize u got that wierd digital 'ghost' reverb/delay that happens when u MIDI controllers run into a hard drive.U can use a gate to cure that,and dont use ANY type of reverb/delay when recording.But i dont know what yer previous studio PC set-up was,so i can only guess what problems had arisen in the past.

I use the Roland Td-6k,its the trigger thats all inverted looking.Works for me,and its easy to place around the kit since i use an accoustic kit too.

I dont use a HH controller as i dedicate a closed and a open HH sound to 2 pads next to one another(which calls on a bit of technique)on the spd-s, .But every time i play a V-drum set ive been pleased with the FD-7 HH controller but it would take up a wierd space on my set-up 'footprint'as i do use real HH's and a DBL.kick pedal.Maybe Andy can elaborate on the controller as he is a V-Drum user.

I reckon the spd-s would work for u since u could use whatever computer sample editor u are using in tandem with retrofitting your own sounds.Really the whole idea with the spd-s is that u DONT NECESSARILY need an external set-up w. a computer,load your sounds via card and go.

Plus its $700.Easily IMO the best thing Roland has released since the V-drum.

Ddrum configurations,even at thier lowest cost can run well over $1300.

This set-up works for me since i believe in simplicity theory of using electronics,so this pad system is something ive been waiting for for a LONG time.

Pocket:
While i dont have an URL to pass along concerning your inquiry i do know this:
U can connect an accoustic trigger system from the Trigger input connectors in the back of the TD6.Roland has just released thier own set of accoustic triggers that can do what u seek ala Ddrums.Alas the TD-6 doesnt have sophisticated editing parameters,so i would guess u would have many 'cross-talk'/false triggering issues 2 deal with,whereas if u upgraded to the TD-8,TD-10,or the Handsonic pad/brain u would have greater flexability in dealing with those potential issues.


hope this helps gentlemen..........................beats

Have u seen what Akira Jimbo does with accoustic triggering?Its along the same lines as what u seek